Posted by TNA Wrestling News Staff on May 18, 2013
Scott Hudson Speaks Out On Sting, WCW, More

Scott Hudson Speaks Out On Sting, WCW, More

Scott Hudson was a guest on Inside the Ropes and compared Goldberg to Ryback. Here are highlights:

On Sting’s character changing into the Crow gimmick in 1996: “I thought it was brilliant. Sting for better or worse, is never going to be confused with Shawn Michaels or Kenta Kobashi or the great workers of the business. It’s not that Sting was a poor worker but he wasn’t gonna go out there and give you a 5 star match every time he laced up a pair of boots. But the thing that got him over was his charisma. You go back and look at those Sting promos, they weren’t that good either. They were passable promos, some didn’t make any sense but he had such a charisma that he got over. And Eric, to his everlasting credit, got the idea, he said “What can we do to get Sting over? He’s only getting so hot and then when we try to put him on top, the buyrates go down, the ratings go down, we need to do something to elevate him to where he can become the top guy” And Eric’s idea was, you know everyone likes Sting nobody doesn’t like Sting so Eric thought Sting can’t really work and isn’t that great at promos so how about if we have him not work and not say anything and then he’ll be really over. So that’s what they did. If you go back and look at that whole build up to Starrcade 97, it took him months to even say anything or point the black bat at somebody. And he was never more over than at that time when he didn’t say anything and he didn’t wrestle. That was the most popular he’s ever been.”

On comparisons between Goldberg and Ryback: “Eric Bischoff was smart enough to know the NWO weren’t gonna last forever so he started building up Goldberg who would go on to be the overarching storyline and I guess be the Hulk Hogan of 1985 in WCW in 1998. That was a terrific way to use him, but then by comparison, you look at Ryback right now in the WWE, who is so obviously a knock off of what we did with Goldberg and if he’s over at all, and I question whether or not he is, he’s nowhere near as over as Goldberg was. And it’s because we booked Goldberg correctly. He never lost, that was the whole gimmick and the minute he lost he lost that luster. Well Ryback has been beaten by, who knows, Santino Marella? Lilian Garcia? Who knows? He’s been beaten by everybody. You know, we let Goldberg be the monster and beat up everybody. They tried to make Ryback a monster and he gets beaten up. Nobody buys that. That gimmick only has a certain shelf life unless you build him as this incredible monster and we built Goldberg perfectly only to screw it up with that finger poke of doom and stuff.”

He also spoke about his time in WCW, feelings on Bret Hart in WCW, Russo’s booking, the sale of the company, his short stint in the WWF Invasion storyline, thoughts on Vince McMahon and more.

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27 Responses to “Scott Hudson Speaks Out On Sting, WCW, More”

  1. KGill28 says:

    Sting was a much better worker than Michaels. Sting was a much better technical wrestler, he also had a power house stature to him. Micheals was a good high flyer, but Sting was the better all around worker. Some of the best matches I ever saw involved Sting. The Sting and Vader matches were so much better than the Michaels and Vader matches. The Sting and The Great Muta matches put the Michaels and Brett Hart matches to shame. The best match I ever saw was Sting vs Ric Flair at Clash of Champions. Sting is very underrated as a worker.

    Also, Sting wasn't a politician trying to hog the spot light like Michaels. If Michaels had his way, then Stone Cold would of never become champion at Wrestlemania 14. Michaels is also a big reason to why WWE squashed Vader, a guy who should have been their top heel.

    • jbcissom says:

      Couldn't agree with you more here. The greatest wrestling match stateside has to be Flair vs. Steamboat. But the greatest match, that I've witnessed, ever… Muta and Sting in Japan.

      And WWE screwed up with Vader… big time. IMO, Vader's WCW run was the inspiration for the early days of TNA's Abyss.

      • ricky_No1 says:

        I couldnt agree more on sting and watching vader is one of the things that made me a lifelong wrestling fan. Man i miss the WCW glory days.

  2. Kyle says:

    Sounds like he’s kissing Bischoff’s ass hoping for a job offer. His thoughts on Sting are extremely far off. Sting has always had great promos and great wrestling skills, and still does. As far as Ryback being compared to Goldberg…wrong again. Goldberg was pushed to the moon without being properly trained, and hurt a bunch of people as a result. The majority of Goldberg’s streak wins were over local jobbers. Ryback has better in ring skill, was trained properly, and has only lost a few matches, and most were by cheating/multiple people attacking him. Having him be able to hold his own against multiple people at once, then get taken over makes for a more interesting, and lasting character. Once Goldberg lost his first match, his character went down hill fast. Ryback can lose once ina while, and still be a good character.

    • jbcissom says:

      Are you kidding me? Ryback is nothing more than a Goldberg-wanna-be-clone. And what put Goldberg over the top was the undefeated streak… so in that aspect, WWE has already failed.

      WWE is desperately searching for that next star, because beyond Cena and Orton, they really don't have diddly-squat. Big Show and Sheamus are glorified mid-carders (WWE has killed Big Show… see the above comment about WWE squashing Vader).

      • Kyle says:

        Seems like you just really like Goldberg. I made my points as to why Ryback could be a longer lasting character, and his in ring skills being better. You simply ranted, and really didn’t make any points.

        • soyfenomenal says:

          Ryback is shit compared to Goldberg. How's that for a point?

        • jbcissom says:

          Actually I wasn't a big fan of Goldberg… but I understood the reasoning behind his character… as Mr. Hudson basically confirmed what I thought (as well as numerous other people).

          If you go back and look at the "special" Raws, the ones that included the stars from the Attitude Era and compare them to what is produced now… the quality has went through the crapper, in every aspect. CM Punk is basically the only star not from the AE who can cut a decent promo. Cena, Orton, and Punk are the only real stars in WWE…. and even back in the AE, you can't convince me that any of those 3 would be main-eventers.

          The only reason that WWE is still "kicking" is because it has been around for over 50+ years, and it made a fortune a decade ago. If WWE was in TNA's shoes, they would have already went "belly up" if they produced the same show they do now.

          • Kyle says:

            I’m not defending WWE, I prefer TNA, I’m just saying I think Ryback has been booked better than Goldberg was, and could be a lasting character. Goldberg is one of the worst wrestlers in a long time, he injured multiple guys, and helped end Brett Hart’s career.

          • MrTNA2015 says:

            Well said.

  3. AFCWIMBLEDON2 says:

    Always muchrespect for the television giant from 97-99 which was nitro, but please Dixie I want tna back to as it was before tazz. I can't hate on bishoff and hogan anymore because after all the shit they have had to put up with since they became part of tna there still here. And can someone please tell me why people still watch that wwe shit, I haven't watched it since 2002. Tna tna TN fucking a

  4. Ez says:

    Scott needs to be on tna tv, either on commentary or backstage interviewing. Was always my fav wcw commentator wealth of knowledge and underused

  5. Blood Runs Cold says:

    The only thing I don’t like about Sting is the way applies the Scorprion Deathlock. It doesn’t look like it hurts at all and looks extremely easy to get out of.

  6. josieamy says:

    Michaels wrestling was just like a ping pong ball in an empty fishbowl. Sting is GOAT IMO.

  7. DarkNexxus says:

    Who is Scott Hudson and whats he know about wrestlers?

  8. nwoforlife says:

    finger poke of doom i thought that was cool it brought back the nwo as one unit sort of the problem with the finger poke of doom was what they did after that sad to say they gave up because of the network putting wcw up for sale because they did not want to run a wrestling promotion any more i have no doubt wcw would of over took wwe again they just had to much talent on the roster they just did not get a chance

  9. Jon says:

    Hudson raises a fair point. Doing (virtually) nothing did indeed lead to the high water mark of Sting's popularity. I think I hold his ring work in a little higher regard than Hudson seems to (and almost certainly more than he implies Bischoff did) but for whatever the reason, the bottom line he presents is awfully accurate.

    • jbcissom says:

      I remember reading an article awhile back citing the similarities between "the Crow" Sting and "the Dark Knight" Batman. One of the main emphasis that the article portrayed was that society as a whole is more drawn to a anti-hero now-a-days than a true-blue hero. Makes sense when you consider some of the aspects of the meteoric rise of SCSA and how the Undertaker became a huge face towards the end of the Attitude Era.

    • OldManEaston says:

      I think he is pretty right on about Sting being a sub par worker. It is one of the few things I agree with Bischoff on in his philosophy of wrestling. Sting was the hottest he ever was, when he never wrestled a match. I remember his whole career, when he was green as grass and unsafe in Bill Watt's territory up until present, and while he did improve over the years to the point where he was usually passable most of the time, he was never a good worker. All the good matches he ever had were when he worked with a superior opponent who basically carried him, like Vader, Muta, AJ Styles, Arn Anderson, The Steiners (when they were good) and of course Flair, who made him what he is. Even a broken down Rick Rude managed to pull some fairly decent matches out of him, but when when he wrestled guys who were on his own level of talent such as Hogan, Luger and Goldberg etc , they were borderline snooze fests at best. Even with the raw energy that Sting brought to the ring, which was his biggest attribute, he never could elevate a match, feud, or another opponent. Sting never made anyone in his entire career and he was in the position to do so quite a few times being the top guy.

      • jbcissom says:

        You do realize how asinine your comment is, right?

        And saying Sting never made anyone when he was in the position to do so is ridiculous on so many levels. What about Vampiro? DDP? And for your info, the booking screwed up AJ Styles, not Sting.

  10. OldManEaston says:

    Try not to let your Sting Marktitude cloud what really happened. By the Time DDP ever wrestled Sting for the WCW World Heavyweight title, he was already a bigger star than Sting was at that current time in WCW. Sting waned after his match with Hogan at Starrcade when he had to get back in the ring. DDP was made and booked as a star during his US Heavyweight championship days and further elevated by his feud with the NWO (like everyone else who was going to be a star in WCW). Does his whole Karl Malone and Jay Leno affiliation ring a bell? You didn't see Sting being put in high profile face of the company positions at that point. DDP's match with Goldberg where he lost was what really put him in the legitimate world title picture.

    And yes, lets talk about Vampiro and Sting, one of the worst angles in WCW history after they got Nitro. After that Vampiro briefly flirted with JTTS status and was then buried in midcard hell. Not to appear on any televised American wrestling promotion until his brief stint with Wrestling Society X. Now as you say, Sting can't be completely blamed for the bad booking, but the fact is that Sting worked with a lot of guys over the years and no one was ever made a bigger star because because they worked with him. It was always the other way around. Sting benefited from working with guys like the Horseman, Flair, Vader, Rude etc and even Muta to a lesser extent (though Muta was not a huge star in NWA, he certainly elevated Sting at least in the ring, and made for very a very good feud . Muta occupied the same type of role with Flair, Arn Anderson and Luger.

    One or two flops, that is bad booking, guy after guy of various talent levels who didn't get a rub from working with Sting and it doesn't tell us everything about them, but it sure tells us enough about the Stinger. Undoubtedly a very popular character, a legend no doubt, if for nothing else, his longevity and being the only guy to ever really make that jump to superstar status in the modern era to never step foot in a WWE ring,; but not a great worker capable of making everyone around him better, or driving the show, not so much.

    I'm not one of those bitter guys like Tom Zenk who said he never drew a dime. That is clearly not true, but Sting is being overrated here. He was never as bad as guys like Mike Graham or Tom Zenk claim, but never as good as a lot of the fans have painted him to be. Certainly not from a wrestling standpoint, and also not from a drawing standpoint, expect for that very brief time, where WCW found a way to hide his flaws by ironically keeping him out of the ring and having him say almost nothing. It was a brilliant move and Bischoff and the WCW team deserves all the credit in the world for pulling that off.

  11. OzzfactorDro says:

    To say that Sting was not a good worker is just plain crazy. Sting was about the only hybrid of wrestler at the time who pushed 250 and still got around the ring like a Brian Pillman would. Sting WAS WCW after the Flair era. Sting was white hot before he even got all mixed up with Flair. He was really over when he was with Dusty Rhodes but, I understand that Flair put the belt on Sting so I get what you're saying. Sting could wrestle Gene Ligget and still have a great match. As a kid, there wasn't any other wrestler I'd rather watch than Sting. Still to this day, I consider him to be the best all around wrestler of the 90's. And what's this I hear about his promos not being good? Dude had the most explosive interviews in WCW at the time. He might not have gone on and on and on like Flair's and Dusty's, but they were short, sweet, and to the point, and high energy. I'll just put it like this… In all the years that I have gone to see wrestling live at the Civic Center, only one wrestler had the ability to keep the crowd on their feet, the whole match, chanting, stomping, clapping, and screaming. That guy… Was a man called Sting!

    • OldManEaston says:

      Things look different through a child's eyes and our childhoods are romanticized. If Sting was really as over as you remember, WCW would have been in a much different position in the early 90's other than what they were. That is not to say he wasn't over, he was, but so is a guy like AJ Styles in TNA.

      Again, looking back, I can't remember anyone who got their big break by working with Sting when he was the face of WCW, can you? It was never like a Von Erich/Freebirds or a Steamboat/Flair thing where they both elevated their games. It wasn't even like a Hogan/Andre passing of the torch, or a Flair/Sting scenario, where Flair clearly put him over as the top guy. Stuff like that just didn't happen with Sting, because Sting clearly always needed somebody else to validate his status as a top guy. Which is something that Hulk Hogan (as poor in the ring as he was) can actually claim. He actually did have the overness to put at least the Ultimate Warrior on another level, even though it was brief, because that era was coming to an end.

      • jbcissom says:

        You realize that your argument has not foundation, because in fact, Sting was the last star built in WCW. Also taking into the fact that the entity known as WCW was only around for less than 20 years, and not a single star from WCW was younger than Sting leads to more fallacies in your stance.

        And also, just so you know, faces really aren't the guys that put guys over. It's heels. Sting has never been a heel. Notice how SCSA never put anyone over once he was a face… same goes for the Rock. As a matter of fact, the only guy that was good at being a face and putting people over was Mick Foley… but he was good at that period.

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